Backstory here. After Irene Morales’ case began to falter, Kimbra Lo magically appeared and told the Today show Dov Charney sexually assaulted her too. Charney remembers the incident she’s talking about because he photographed it.
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Backstory here.
After Irene Morales’ case began to falter, Kimbra Lo magically appeared and told the Today show Dov Charney sexually assaulted her too. Charney remembers the incident she’s talking about because he photographed it. The proof? In the suit, Kimbra claims she was only intimate in-person with Dov once (I got the feeling they had been having phone sex for a long time but saw no evidence supporting that outside of phone records showing two-hour long, late night conversations). Therefore, this must be that one time. Kimbra does not deny the existence of the photos but says they were taken without her permission. She obviously assumed nobody would see them because they sure look permission-y to me.
How disturbing is it watching these women lie about sexual assault? It’s downright creepy. They even do all those weird ticks you hear liars do like move their eyes around, gulp and overexplain. Please tell me she felt just a little uncomfortable saying all this.
Here’s quotes from her interview with the photos taken that day. It was December 9th, 2010.
“He attacked me. He ripped my clothes off of me and sexually assaulted me.”
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“I was like ‘please don’t take photos of me’ like ‘stop’ like ‘please don’t take my photo.’ Everything he was doing, I was asking him to stop. ‘Please don’t touch me,’ ‘stop,’ ‘no’ and he became more aggressive every time I told him to stop.”
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“When I went over to his house he instantly attacked me and I made it very clear for him to stop. I said, ‘no, please don’t touch me’ and he became more aggressive.”
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“Honestly, I didn’t feel there was a way for me to leave safely. I was terrified.”
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“I never sent him a love letter.” (See the Jacques email she introduced herself with below)
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“I made it very clear that his actions were unwanted but he continued and became more aggressive the more I voiced my opinion.”
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“Beware. I mean, this man’s a monster. He’s incredibly manipulative and I just hope that he stops.”
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“My main priority is to stop what’s going on and to expose this man for who he truly is because it’s wrong and what happened to me is wrong and what’s still going on right now is wrong.”
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The above encounter happened shortly after Irene Morales filed her first demands threatening American Apparel with an “avalanche” of bad press if they didn’t comply. Charney says Kimbra was using his car that day and drove over for a quickie. She said she had to shower first.
Charney says he and Kimbra had been flirty since she contacted him on July 24th, 2010 with this email.
It says, “The second to last question was for you.” The second to last question is, “What’s your deepest, darkest, iPod secret song?” and her answer was “‘Area Codes’ by Ludacris.” Irene offered to blow Dov and lick his ass in exchange for cash. Then Kimbra dedicates a song about having many “HOs” to Charney. Then they both say they were assaulted. They sound more like predatorial prostitutes than victims to me.
Anyway, saying you were visiting a long time lover and using his car doesn’t amount to much of a settlement. Kimbra didn’t work at American Apparel anymore. She quit and was a non-employee at this point. It’s hard to make her look desperate for a job and willing to do anything to get it. Managers I spoke to said they would happily have rehired her and they can prove it with emails. In this email Kimbra said one of the reasons she left was, “I’m also pretty disappointed you never shot me.”
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To portray herself as a stranger going to a job interview is much better lawsuit material because now it happened at the workplace and that’s what sexual harassment suits are all about.
As a final slap in the face to everything moral, Kimbra Lo says on the Today show “To me success is exposing this man. Hopefully getting him removed as CEO from the company and bringing him to justice because to me, as I see it, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and that’s what this is. This whole company is an injustice.”
The part I put in bold is a Martin Luther King quote.
Dov kinda has bad taste in girls just sayin… (Looks wise)
Gavin, why don’t you guys get the girls side as well for a proper unbiased report.
hey blub, a picture’s worth a thousand words so why don’t you shut it?
because gavin and dov probably banged some chicks together back in the day and even though he now has a wife and even a daughter he wants to keep promoting misoginy so being a 40yr old married dad doesn’t look so boring and conventional
Who knows what really happened? Only the 2 people that were there. the end.
This is why I secretly videotape every one of my casual sexual encounters and vault them without ever showing them to my friends or posting them on free porn sites. You never know when you might need hard evidence of consent.
well, sarah, that’s not true anymore, now is it?
I especially liked reading this with the Am Appy banner ads on the right side of the page.
Shout out to the Hitachi magic wand just off screen in these.
This post is horrific assault denial by way of shaming. The pictures themselves prove nothing if you’re lying about the time they were taken. All of this could be as easily falsified as an accusation of sexual harassment. What you’ve done is cast doubt, shame and aspersions on a woman who made public accusations of sexual harassment without bothering to take the accusations seriously, get a full idea of the story, allow the legal process to return a verdict, and without considering the many other accusations leveled at the same individual and his business. You’ve made other women who were the victims of sexual aggression rightfully worry that if they speak publicly of what happened, they will be shamed by creepy dudes on the internet. You’ll see from the comments section here that you’ve encouraged people to insult her appearance, making jokes about rape and consent, and dismiss such accusations offhand. This post is a piece of despicable misogyny and I hope it is removed ASAP.
The idea of a woman’s face getting flushed during orgasm seems alright when you read it, but then you see her face in these photos and realize it’s actually kinda gross. Not cute at all.
dov seems like a manipulative bastard
you are a grown man. these are young girls. it is appalling that you would post an email with the full phone number. It’s disheartening to me that someone like you has access to such a public arena where you can reach a large audience with your skewed, idiotic, uninformed opinions.
@heydenberk
Listen you fake feminist shithead, they have arbitration agreements. Why didn’t they arbitrate? They had a red carpet to settle this privately and it’s what most people with legitimate beefs do.
Instead they threatened AA with a demand letter and said AA would get an “avalanche” of bad publicity if they didn’t pay big. They started this war. Are you fucking blind?
after reading these two posts, my gut feeling is that both gavin and dov are barely-legal kind of guys. one’s catching heat for it. the other hopes not to catch heat for it in the future, so he’s doing a preemptive strike against “sluts who sue.”
i’d like to add: how do promiscuous old men like this get women to sit on their diseased dicks w/out condoms? i would fucking lysol it, then condom it, then female condom myself, before letting it get anywhere near me. and i sure as hell wouldn’t let him cum inside me, even with those barriers in place. girls, please just jerk off guys like this! also, make him put saran wrap over his mouth before he licks you.
i once had a guy start an email to me, “hi v, how are you?” and i broke up with him on the spot. i took it as a sign that he had “hiv”, subconsciously was telling me so, and thanked god i never let him put it in me.
anyway. i find this whole thing gross. i have no idea whether or not he raped the girls. but he needs to wrap his dick with lots and lots of latex. i can’t wait till they invent sterile sex.
“What is your deepest, darkest IPod song?”
What is he a 15 year old Goth kid? Dude just seems like a sad middle aged creep with a terrible business model and a penchant for picking up slightly unstable art chicks.
should we persecute rock stars for banging groupies? there’d be no more music!
So Gavin , you are essentially saying that this post is more about revenge. Since the girls supposedly said they were gonna create bad publicity for the company , you are determined to create bad publicity or a bad image for them, is that the point of this, to fight fire with fire?
@Gavin
“They had a red carpet to settle this privately”
How is a red carpet private? Red carpets are usually put out to draw attention to people entering a venue.
@Blurb
No shit for brains, this is about women lying about something very serious in order to get rich quick and me thinking that is fucking evil.
These women were in glass houses and they started throwing stones. They’ll reap what they sow. The reasons these shakedowns are so successful is political correctness which I suspect is why Gavin is so obsessed with it. That’s his whole schtick.
ruh roh!
What’s “evil” is dismissing accusations like this out of hand. As for this canard:
“Why didn’t they arbitrate? They had a red carpet to settle this privately and it’s what most people with legitimate beefs do.”
There are lots of reasons. It’s not my responsibility to lend you a fucking clue. Arbitration agreements can be used to silence survivors of sexual harassment by restricting their rights of recourse. People who don’t spend their time trying to shame possible survivors of sexual harassment might also notice the obvious fact that such action would likely do little to warn other women.
Fake feminist shithead, I like it.
[What's your favorite film? Why?]- “Lolita. I don’t know why”
…I know why.
My man – put your penis away for a bit and start a company where you won’t be tempted to fuck the help. That may help in the future.
Ya but this entire biased article just does not seem very believable or convincing. Why not talk for hours to the girls too or something? That’s why in proper journalism they attempt to report the entire story and get all the respective parties to respond. This could seem like a smear campaign to fight a smear campaign.
Tell me that if you had any empathy for women who were sexually harassed, you’d be able to stomach interspersing naked pictures of a woman with quotes from her report. You have to realize that reading this could be a devastating trigger for survivors. A survivor who may have been harassed or assaulted by someone with whom she also had a consensual relationship at some point could be more scared of coming forward with her story after reading a post like this. If you can’t acknowledge anything else, acknowledge this, and take the post down.
ps Gavin, my nam eis blub not blurb . ha!
@Heydenberk
Great, I started a debate with a knee-jerk Beta Male who believes everything his dogmatic lesbian girlfriend tells him. Look at Irene’s emails and her lies on the Today show you mental tortoise. AA is “good-paying”? Does the woman above look terrified? Why does friendly correspondence continue after both “attacks”?
Sorry if the truth in this particular instance is unfashionable. Maybe you could ask your girlfriend for one of your balls back, just for an hour? It’s vile cowards like you who do way more harm to women by being so affected and disingenuous.
I hope, one day, you experience the seriousness of genuine rape.
@blub
I did call the girls and their lawyer to no avail but their side of the story is at the top of each post.
Some of you will find this easier to stomach. It’s a woman saying sexual harassment shakedowns have gotten out of hand.
http://www.nypress.com/article-10380-no-sexual-dealing.html
The point is no one really believes you or Dov or Irene, this is all a lot bigger then your limited and angry perspective Gavin, so to be fair you should take them down. The ‘right’ thing to do and the truth is relative.
Gavin, you are an atrocious human being. Your last sentence above – “I hope, one day, you experience the seriousness of genuine rape” – indicates not only your lack of maturity and comprehension of sexual assault, but it also completely delegitimizes your entire article. congratulations, sir! i’m sure you’ve made your mother proud today.
If you want to make an argument about how this particular accusation is unfounded — I don’t why you’d want to spend your time defending accused sexual harassers when you don’t have all the facts but I don’t have a problem with it in the abstract — you can and should do it without shaming the woman in a way that will make people who believe her and sympathize with her have more reason to be afraid to come forward themselves.
Also, wishing rape upon someone is a pretty terrible way to make a point that you’re an ally of survivors. Get a fucking clue.
Also, the likely way for a man to experience the “seriousness of rape” is for a female friend or family member to be raped. It follows that this is part of what you’d hope to happen to me. As it turns out, since men raping women is incredibly pervasive, I have experienced this. In fact I’ve known several survivors who were doubted by friends of the attacker, by the police, by superiors in the Army and by just all-around assholes like you. This is why I take sexual assault and harassment doubting really seriously. I guess you’re a middle-aged dude, so there’s no hope for me to tell you to grow up. I hope you do, however, have a statistically short life span, and that you find your career based on judging women’s bodies and posting hateful shit to be a bleak existence in the future.
guys maybe we should just calm down!
these chicks must have been begging for his dick.the man is really handsome and hipster girls that age…I mean come on you see them… and maybe after they got it he was a little dismissive and this is their try to get revenge.just not the smartest move to send all those mails,pics etc.
I miss do’s and dont’s
Same fate? You want someone’s daughter to become a gold digging whore who accuses a man of rape to get money? You’re one piece of work.
Dude,
You should go back to writing unfunny captions of coked-out hipsters. This article is like Rachel Ray writing about international fiscal policy.
You are out of your element.
Fighting to find some resolve an original fight sucks, we would all be starting literal wars in real life.
There is no justice unless you believe in god
My last comment was @Dan which seemed to be mysteriously deleted. Mainly because it seemed rather distasteful even for MY standards.
Hey there heydenberk, as a victim of sexual abuse myself as a child (it was a woman who molested me by the way), let me just throw that around just to tell you maybe you should get off your fucking soap box.
granted, I dont know much about horse jockeys, but for some reason the lawyer in the video looks/sounds like one..
Taeil, I’m genuinely sorry to read that. It doesn’t change that the vast majority of sexual assaults are done to women by men.
I actually think men on men is most common due to prison rape? I’ll look for a source…
just want everyone to be aware that as soon as “heydenberk” posted the above comment, he tweeted the following:
I’m in an internet argument with @Gavin_McInnes, founder of Vice Magazine and proud pioneer of “ironic” racism, about his misogyny #hooray
dude, you’re not in an argument with someone because you posted a comment on a blog post. perhaps you should step off of your soapbox, mr. white knight.
Gavin has been a self proclaimed ass forever.
good times
@narcos
an argument is “a discussion involving differing points of view; debate”. Pretty sure that’s going on right now! Maybe if you had any sort of point of view to contribute here you would understand that a bit better. Also, quite the ‘exposé’. What a waste of my time, responding to this.
god you fucking suck Gavin
I wouldn’t want my sister working for him and I wouldn’t want her working for me. He’s a sex fiend and she’s an opportunist whore. No clean hands here.
You mugs are missing out on the real pret a port here! Look at the cans on that there dame, boy-o.
haydenberk, i was sexually assaulted multiple times as a child and i think you sound overly hysterical and inappropriately reactive.
calm down, not every woman looks at you and your genitals and sees thousands of years of oppressive raping penis privilege. sure, he shouldn’t have said that he knows they’re lying. nobody knows anything for sure. dumb comment. but that doesn’t make him THE WORST HUMAN BEING EVER, it just means the article is emotion-based instead of fact-based. it’s ridiculous, more than anything else.
Whether Charney’s guilty or not, if you want to ruin a man’s life and take his fortune, you better be prepared to go through the meat grinder. Considering the evidence, there’s no reason why this should be easy for those women. From everything I’ve seen it’s pretty unbelievable that any court will even hear the case. I applaud Gavin for not only defending his primary sponsor and using this story to maximize hits, but for also offering a counterweight to the smarmy one-sidedness of Jezebel and the rest of that ilk.
I’ve seen better women than these two lie about a man’s actions for the mere sake of ruining his life and repairing their damaged egos. Other than pure revenge, there was absolutely no pot of gold at the end of their deed. The problem with dudes like the ones who are jumping on Gavin is that they have no charisma and/or money. They’re not heart-breakers. Outside of their fake sensitivity and willingness to sell-out other guys in order to maybe get bad sex, they have zero currency with women. You need to be a player in order to understand the wrath of the hater. Understanding that doesn’t mean that you hate women. It just means that you appreciate hearing the other side of the story.
heydenberk sucks. dragler’s the shit.
Stop saying “We don’t know what happened.” She says they hooked up once. He has pictures of her and him in bed. That’s the once. She doesn’t even deny the pictures exist. It’s very clear that this encounter was not “terrifying.” I don’t understand why women aren’t angry at her and these wimpy men are pretending to care.
^^you weren’t in the room, dingus. nor do you inhabit his or her mind. statements like “i knew he raped women. just look at his ads!” or “look at these emails. there’s no way this could have happend” serve no purpose, other than to rattle emotions in either camp.
Someone had to say it, “heydenberk”: You’re an Ass-Pipe. Philadelphia gets enough bad publicity without Ass-Pipes such as you. I love that town. I love me some hoagies and cheese steaks and pizza steaks and scrapple and water ice and Tastykakes and Zitner’s Butter Krak Easter Eggs, but you, sir, are one unpleasant and wholly unlikeable Ass-Pipe. You bring shame and scorn upon that once-proud metropolis.
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1114706694/centralia.jpg
Where’s the caption under that picture that says “Ass-Pipe”?
Umm..we need more picture evidence Gavin. We’re still not convinced it was consensual. They look they they were being forced. Any spread eagle shots or something? Thanks!
Isn’t AA one of the biggest advertisers on this website?
Caker city
I love how there’s a bottle of lotion (pics 7, 10, 11, 12, 13) next to what I assume is Dov Charney’s bed.
Remember that Crossfire episode where they had John Stewart on and he had to remind them he runs a fucking comedy show? You can’t hold Gavin to journalistic standards — Jesus, have you even *seen* this site before?!
Look how many people are ready to put Gavin on a cross when instead they should be wondering aloud why he’s doing a better job at journalism than the Today show (NBC). Agree with his thesis or not, it’s certainly worthy of a few minutes thought.
Yes, the true story is probably complicated. Yes, Dov is probably a total douche. Have you hung out with many rich guys? Come. On.
@ giant shlong: WHAT A SCOOP! EXPOSE OF THE CENTURY!!
Gavin, are you part of the ‘chateau’ that writes the roissy blog?
Hang on, didn’t this site predict this whole thing when they were making fun of him a few weeks ago?
http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/dov-charney-too-legit-2-quit/
Nobody vomiting out maladroit purple prose like this should really be calling anyone else disingenuous, should he? But, at least feigned moral outrage is slightly closer to the right track then the reverse character assassination most of us probably expected. I guess we’ll see tomorrow if Dov’s actually just a stand-up kinda guy who happened to play his cards right, and not the creepy opportunist we’ve come to understand him as. Can’t wait!
*track than the
“and not the creepy opportunist we’ve come to understand him as.”
jesus christ, EVERY guy is a creepy opportunist when it comes to sex. there are actually people walking around who don’t realize that yet??? some guys just have more money and fame to throw around than others.
I know a former employee of AA who was approached by a bunch of girls to “get in” on the group lawsuit. Personally I think Dov is a fucking pervert predator, but at the same time i don’t associate with people who suck hobbit dicks to be ‘elite’. I would love kick Dov Charney in the balls, but these chicks are jsut as bad, their only after money/fame …..they’re all disgusting pigs.
You can get on your knees for Dov, Gavin, but it’s not gonna make you famous too
Ditto what I said in the last thread about American Apparel and Dov > re: cock guzzling fakers… (minus blue cord pant query)… Dont be mad at the poor girl… She just wants to be famous!
Who doesnt?
get your own handle, pls
What a golddigger.I hope she goes to jail.
I know unemployment is high still, (9% in NY), extortion and crying rape is not right.
This will follow her for the rest of her life.
Someone’s mommy never read her “The Boy Who Cried Wolf.”
I would never hire this girl. She’s one shady lady. I doubt anyone else, especially men, will be hiring her for anything in the future in fear of false rape accusations.
And come on, she wants $250 million.
Honey, you should be so lucky to get a job at McDonalds.
She’s so ugly. She could never be a real model. What a delusional weirdo.
Who does she think she is?
Kate Moss?
I know Kimbra. She lives with the other girl suing, Teas Lubans Dehaven who goes by the name Tesa Love. They’re both broke as shit and probably thought they could cash out by crying rape.
I know Dov has a bad rep, but making outlandish claims like this is truly insulting to true victims of sexual violence.
Shame on them.
She has a photography website and it sucks. Obviously another dumb non talent loser with a get rich quick scheme.
Ok ya, so the girls are wearing American Apparel on the today show, that is f***cked up.
Maybe they are all cashin in on this. Dov and the girls creating hype for advertising and Gavin going along for the page views. Yowza.
heydenbuwhatever is a walking, talking colostomy bag. gavin is a saint. my opinion is valid because i’m hot.
you cracked the code blub, that must be it – nothing revitalizes a company like charging the CEO with rape allegations!
fucking moron.
I like how people treat gavins opinion as news that should be unbiased…
Gavin: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” Although this quote has been completely bastardized for me by an attention starved hooker of a young lady, I’d like to compliment you by saying it applies perfecting to what you are doing here on street carnage – serving up some justice.
heydenberk: You must watch a lot of fucking Nancy Grace. That is when you’re not busy re-reading your favorite Jodi Picoult novel. Fuck off.
I’m a young woman, a reluctant peer to these two. I consider myself a sexual equal to my partners and, as all young women can and should in situations such as these (those which have absolutely nothing to do with rape) exercise my right to choose. Sometimes I make slutty decisions. Yes, I said slutty. It’s a useful adjective. Unfortunately it’s attributed to women more often then to men for identical behavior, but fuck I consider myself lucky to exist in a culture where I am entitled to relative sexual freedom and equality, so…sticks and stones.
The evidence in these posts shows two women who made opportunistic, slutty decisions. They willingly exploited themselves for something – attention from an older, successful man, money, fame, an orgasm…who’s to say? It can be humiliating for a lady to place herself in such a vulnerable position and not get what she feels she deserves in return. I’ve regretted a couple of the tit-pics in my outbox, let me tell you. But for a woman to take this embarrassment, regret, and frustration and attempt to resolve it by somehow attributing her sluttiness to force is a cowardly, infantile response to self-imposed shame. Is this Arthur Miller’s The Crucible? Nope, it’s Dov Charney’s life right now, and it’s a damn shame.
“no clean hands here”… pretty much the only appropriate comment i’ve read. gavin, you only have access to this shit because dov is quite obviously someone you keep in touch with – is it safe to say it would be difficult for you to maintain an unbiased opinion? and while i certainly dont agree with posting pictures and placing them in an unverifiable context to shed a favorable/unfavorable light on someone, i will say that on my blog i post whatever the fuck i want to, mainly because its my blog. to me, the worst thing about this whole situation is how quick people are to take sides. there is no arena that i’ve seen that is attempting to portray this objectively. finally, whoever is posting hateful shit about the woman (for being ugly? taking shitty photography?) – what the FUCK do either of those things have to do with any of this?
Its ironic that AA and Charney’s ad campaigns have, in part, created these rotten little monsters. They don’t just believe that a career (or careers) in modelling/promotion/photography is accessible and realistic, they actually feel entitled to it.
To be thoroughly average in looks and talent, posess no work ethic, and use casual (or paid) sex as an in with a man known for using prostitutes and models interchangeably is not only a laughable life strategy but should be looked upon as indicative of mental instability.
Charney’s persona gives me douchebumps but karma is not a good enough reason to end up in court with your livelihood on the line.
And yes, Gavin’s approach is vitriolic but what, are you surprised? This is a slander campaign deserving of exposure and rebuttal.
The best guy here is Baum.
“errrmmm… well ya seee… this is what victims of sexual abuse often do…. errmmm… 205m pleeeease….”
“the vast majority of sexual assaults are done to women by men.”
heydenber, sweet observation bro. I think you’re missing the point here though.
For argument’s sake, let’s say these women really are genuine “survivors” (as you put it). That would mean that they offered to lick Dov’s anus and posed for fun sex pics because they were in a highly traumatized Stockholm syndrome-esque state.
Isn’t it just a little bit more plausible that they’re treating Charney like a giant jewish pinata, and banking on the fact that, since AA is on the brink, a private settlement would be a less damaging than the business he would lose over accusations of sexual assault?
Who’s really doing damage to the cause of victims of assault here? They should actually be tried for extortion and libel, but that really would further deter other women with genuine grievances from coming forward.
These women have the personality types of modern female news anchors, but take the route of shaking down successful men because they aren’t 10s. Your pre-80s throwback “vaginas are sacred” form of mental retardation is what gives them and their lawyers more room to manoeuvre.
Your worst offence is that you force people who can’t stand thinking about politics to constantly acknowledge that they hate liberals. You’re worse that gypsies. We just wan’t to live quiet lives.
ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS AND EVERY WOMAN IS A WHORE.
Happy now? The human condition in a nutshell for you. Cry on your own time.
FUCK i HATE GAWKER
If Gavin didn’t make so much money off American Apparel this post wouldn’t have been written and we wouldn’t be arguing it. Although Vice makes that cash too. But they aren’t pushing this in either direction. By the by, it can’t be rape because I thought she liked it at the time isn’t really something you should use as a defense, and I wouldn’t make an accusation about something like that about two other people’s private lives that I really know nothing about either. And no matter how you put it Gavin, this is a smear campaign against two otherwise anonymous girls, and you are defending a person who has been rumored to be inappropriate with lots of females, especially the ones in his employ, for like the lat eight years. Eventually we all just agreed that Michael Jackson was touching them children even though it took a long time for him to get found guilty, because that kind of thing doesn’t keep getting attached to you for no reason.
What a fucking dumb whore.
This goes on to prove my theory 99.9% of women are liars and whores.
“Rumoured to be innapropriate” justifies sending a guy to prison, destroying his business (and the jobs of probably 1000′s and 1000′s, esp. tons of poor factory workers who never get paid a real wage and get insurance like they are offered at AA) and disrespecting the victims of real sexual assault crimes. hmmm. interesting concept.
I assume a cash cow increases exponentially as “settlements” increase, and lawsuits increase as the cash cow increases. At what point does the benefit of not settling outweigh the benefit of settling? At what point is public preferable to private for the plaintiff?
Somebody should model this (bonus points for taking into account business cycle and media coverage).
@thief laws “smear campaign against two otherwise anonymous girls” They didn’t have to go on the Today show to settle their case, it’s total bullshit and they opened themselves up to this kind of scrutiny by making it public. Going national television with this whole thing just reinforces the idea that they’re out to blackmail Charney.
I’m not making a judgement on the case itself but the media does a kind of tricky thing when they say “another woman comes forward”. from my understanding all the women have the same lawyer. So it’s like, a nuance there but not an insignificant one.
They’re not even good criminals. They should have asked for like $20,000 and Charney probably would have said yes just to get them out of his hair. I heard her first demands were a million and then she jumps to 250. When there’s this much evidence against you, keep the demands in the Pesky range.
250 million is for children locked in a basement their whole lives and actually used as sex slaves.
Has anyone already made the joke about suing AA for shitty hoodies where the zipper comes off in the wash on the first try? Because I think I have a case there.
@Joe: Real talk.
This dude Charney bangs a lot of 6′s.
Your honor, these bitches are six’s. They’re lucky to have even seen my penis.
Good point counselor, I dissmiss this case, bailiff please Lysol the benches where those bitches were sitting
i feel contact stress from this mess.
getting raped by Charney would be a breeze anyway.
raymes- it is kinda your fault.
this is like some R. Kelly shit where no one actually wins, no one goes to jail and no one goes out of business.
@ PENIS GHOST.
THESE GIRLS HIT THE TALK SHOW CIRCUIT FIRST. They SOLD their stories to the TABLOIDS FIRST. Their LAWYER was going around lying EVERYWHERE.
So if you were accused of rape and the whole was screaming at you to hand over 250 million to each of these golddiggers, would you sit around to get mauled.
The truth had to come out. JUST BECAUSE THE TRUTH ABOUT THESE GIRLS are uglier than the LIES they’ve been spreading, doesn’t mean it’S NOT THE TRUTH.
@Hyperbole
I totally agree. Kimbra has a portfolio online : kimbraaudreyphoto.com
It is pathetic. I know American Apparel ads are pretty low budget and don’t incorporate the best skill, but there is no way this girl could have been hired anywhere as a photographer.
And she is way too average looking, the both of them, to model for American Apparel. They have some hot ladies on their website. Man, I think they’re sexier than the Victoria’s Secret models.
@Damien- “Jewish piñata” is killing me
It says in the New York Post that Irene Morales sent Don all those slutty photos after when she says the alleged rape took place. Why would a rape victim call her rapist “Daddy”, promise rim jobs and send all those nasty photos? That doesn’t sound like a rape victim to me.
And weird that this is not in criminal court. These girls are only persuing a civil lawsuit for money and obviously don’t intend on even starting a criminal investigation.
lester molester you kind of have a point
All the women Irene Morales, Kimbra Lo, Tesa Lubans Dehaven (aka Tesa Love), Marisa Wilson, and
Alyssa Ferguson have the same lawyer…Eric Baum. This is really strange. Why would all the women have the same attorney? Common sense would direct that each woman had an isolated incident and would have their own lawyers. YOu only have the same lawyer if you’re talking about it and trying to find others to jump in on your case because maybe, your case alone doesn’t look so good.
What a shocker. None of these ladies ever filed criminal charges and they are asking for 250 million each with no evidence and just a story.
“Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.” -Kimbra on the Today Show.
Yeah Kimbra, we believe you. We really do.
Shit like his makes me mad!
Kimbra, get a freakin job like the rest of us.
Gavin even if there was flirting and naked poses, which American Apparel loves and is what many girls send in to Dov for work, she still could of got sexually assaulted. Girls can flirt with men, and when it comes to the moment, decide to back out though by then it can be too late, and then sexual assault can happen.
Now we know American Apparel is an advertiser, though dont overcompensate. Youre way smarter than that.
On the other hand shes trying to back a buck off of Dov, which also is possible then thats another story, and shes a creepy freak, girls can do this and even cry rape etc etc. Point finale is whenever you try and be sexy with these ad campaigns and image, you will end up in trouble. The whole American Apparel branding is so overdone, and its ran its course. Dov should has some major thinking to do in these crucial times…I do wish him the best of luck though because he did create something cool at one time.
@heydenberk can suck a dick.
p.s. rape jokes are still funny
Sorry to interject a note of reason into the proceedings, but I do recall reading that the scientific study of neurological development has recently suggested that up until age 25, humans are not yet capable to envision, as a mature adult could, the long-term consequences of their actions.
So, in light of this new evidence, two reasonable proposals might be:
1) NO boss-employee sex until after age 25.
2) (Oh, I can hear the yowls of horror on this one) NO pornographic actor-ing until after age 25.
Let the reactive blubbering commence.
I do like her bosoms though, sometimes you got to think are bosoms like that worth all this commotion? Are breasts like this worth this risk of lawsuits from goldiggers, a nice motorboat on her boobies? Sometimes you have to take this risk and continue with the flirting, because you weiner is doing yoga in your pants looking at pics like this.
I mean were all humans and since the beginning of time, most of us men have been hunting for boobies and vaginas. Thats what the little red guy on my left shoulder is saying ” Go for it”
he looks like a nonce regardless
@Fair and Balanced Guy
Look at the evidence you dunce. After Irene Morales says she was sexually assaulted she sends texts calling him a wonderful person and sends MORE NUDE PHOTOS. Then she tried to get her job back. She says she was forced to do all this shit after the fact because AA is so “good-paying.” They pay minimum wage.
For the record, AA barely pay anything for Internet campaigns.
no press is bad press. remember when american apparel was trashed for using porn stars as models? their popularity went through the roof after that one. so this is like part 2 of their marketing scheme right? im not saying rape isnt serious. im not saying nothing happened or something happened. quite frankly, like someone said earlier, this shit should have been sorted out within the company or at least privately because susually if you’ve been raped, you don’t want to take that news to the streets. but its weird how just when it seemed like people stopped giving a shit about expensive plain t-shirts and leg warmers, this story pops up. i bet he’ll be acquitted and at the end of the day, the american apparel brand will have been re-sexified and will have been all over the news.
@ idiots: Gavin isn’t ‘breaking’ these photos, they are from two blogspots. Already on the internet, take your privacy issues up with that blogger.
@ (not published or required): If you want, send me your gawker links and I will approve your comments. I like trolling on Gawker because I am obviously a busy, busy man.
Also, I there were more bellybutton pics of Kimbra.
Don’t worry, nobody questions your integrity.
Why would a rape victim send her rapist smut photos of herself and promise rim jobs?
Oh Yeah, I totally think we should give these fools 250 million each, bankrupt a company with over 10,000 employees in LA alone and who knows how many all over the US. And affect the business of other companies that earn revenue from American Apparel.
Just what our freaking economy needs right now.
Kimbra your just full of shit Bitch you enjoy riding Dov Dick
Its all about the money.
Eric Baum, Irene’s and Kimbra’s attorney is the true culprit. He is the one who took on the case after hearing the unjustifiable extortion proposal . Baum is the one who brought the girls to the media to create a smear campaign of a maybe skeezy but obviously innocent man (have you fucking read the charges, emails and photos posted? ) Baum is surely the one who irresponsibly advised the girls to include quotes of Martin Luther King and Fredrick Douglas in the their emails (shows how much respect he has for ethical icons).
These girls are young and very impressionable. Baum has been mentally abusing them for sometime now, as he progress his quest for his cut of 250 million (do you know what his cut would be?!). His greed will certainly ruin these girls lives, if it hasnt already. How are these girls going to get hired anywhere after Baum is done publicly humiliating them? Who is going to want to date them. Seriously. If he had any professional ethics he would have not taken the case and advised these young girls not to try to extort money with a case with no prosecuting evidence.
Yes, Street Carnage gets advertising dollars from American Apparel. But doesn’t Street Carnage do hipster clothing jokes and stuff? Isn’t American Apparel a fitting company to advertise on the site. Or maybe Gavin is friends with Dov, and if your friend was accused of something you know he/she didn’t do (as you have read the evidence) wouldn’t you do all you could to exonerate him/her?
Don’t shoot the messenger”- Shakespeare, Henry IV
-old iconic quotes, always good for bringing it home, right Eric?
I’m gonna make a hit single with this story.
Gavin keeps calling people names, haha! The evidence is questionable, emotionally presented and one sided.
@Gavin
How do you know that Irene wasnt talking the truth? worldwide recession going on people need their jobs, maybe she felt like she had to go back to AA as a whore to her job. I mean on any level she is whoring herself out, whether being min wage, or sending nude pics to Dov. I mean do you think that on any level she became a whore working for for AA? Maybe, girls could automatically feel like they have to be slutty or whorish working for AA, is their theme, or at least people think it is. Irene seems confused and just because she is confused and did flirt, doesnt mean the sexual assault didnt happen. And you can only assume that it didnt because of the evidence. No matter what you rant on about, you dont know. Only Irene and Dov know what happened.
Or Irene is just taking advantage of poor old Dov, this could be true. I mean how easy is it to file a lawsuit against a hedonistic person like Dov? Put it this before you were married, you never had any complaints with girls saying you sexually assaulted them, from the Vice days? Its very easy for this to happen, crying sexual assaults on famous and richer people. Thats why its hard to be edgy or sexy these days, especially when you single and own companies like AA.
WELL IT LOOK’S LIKE GAVIN MACINES HAVE DISCOVER THE SCRIPT FOR A NEW SPIKE LEE ‘JOINT’ KNOWN AS ‘MO BETA MALES’ LOL
WELL ANY WAYS IT’S A PRETTY DEVESTATING CRITICQUE, NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHAT ‘BETA’ MEANS BUT SOUNDS LIKE A FORIENG LANGUAGE; SOME TIMES ACADEMMICS USE THE PHRASE ‘ALPHA’ TO REFFER TO THE ‘TOP DOG’. GAVIN DID YOU MAKE UP THIS SLOGAN, ‘BETA’? I KNEW YOU WHERE A MASTER OF THE RIDDEN WORD.
WELL SEE YOU GUY’S LATTER, I’M GOING TO GO TELL MY EX-WIFE SHE’S A BETA MALE [BUT NOT TO HER FACE THROUGH] BECASUE SHE’S SO IMPORTENT AND FLASCID.
@Fair and Balanced Guy: Dude, are you retarded? According to the MSNBC video above and the court papers that Irene filed, the alleged rapage happen in 2008. Yet all the photos above, which she sent to Dov, and the dildo text, which she sent to Dov, and the email, which she sent to Dov offering him a fucking rimjob, are from 2009.
If she was raped in 2008: a) why didn’t she go to the police; b) why did she continue sending him naked photos; c) why did she keep asking to get her job back and then completely blow it off by not showing up?
Also, $9 is only slightly higher pay than other clothing retailers in New York City. H&M, Urban Outfitters, Forever 21 and all those places are constantly hiring. Why would you go back to work for some dude who raped you? Because you wanted to make 25 more cents an hour?
@ Arv
25 cents goes a long way Arv these days, it can get you anything that you are 25 cents short on… OK OK its safe to say DONT fool around with employees, I mean isnt that the main rule? The fact that Dov does, makes him a horny bugger that cant resist girls. He is setting himself up for trouble over and over again.
sexual assault is not something you go on the teli and tell all to all .
been there done that , it took me 3 years to tell my mom and another 5 to my now husband.
one gave birth to me , and the other i happily fuck.
from the looks of it she is a dumb bitch gold digger shit for brains looking for her million.
and mixing this with feminism is moronic .
i find gavin more feminist than any dumb fucks in this post .
he can identify this shit pile of a person from a bunch .
good one gavin .
thumbs up .
@F
I like to avoid checking comments and rarely take them seriously when i do but I really appreciate that. Talking to Dov and all these lawyers and looking at evidence all weekend made me disgusted with humanity. It reminds me of when you hear about siblings fighting over money and heirlooms after a parent dies. Just the lowest of the low. To investigate it feels like climbing through sewers.
Let me make it clear: I meant that maybe it should be the LAW:
1) NO boss-employee sex until after age 25.
2) NO pornographic actor-ing until after age 25.
see my argument above.
“If she was raped in 2008: a) why didn’t she go to the police; b) why did she continue sending him naked photos; c) why did she keep asking to get her job back and then completely blow it off by not showing up?”
a) lots of people don’t go to the police right away, it usually ends up a shitty mess (like this one)
b) you can have sex with a person and still get raped by them, lots of people stand by their rapists for years
c) not everyone is smart/ creative to find new jobs, or some other weird circumstance, shits complicated.
also, Gav, why didn’t you post pictures of Dovs droopy ballsack or hairy butthole? that’s obivously relevant to the case too..
Yeah its true Gavin, we all know what she is up to. I just thought I would win over some pussy by being Devils ADVOCUNT on this matter. She really wants $$$$ all over her boobies.
They look like sluts tryin to make a dollar to me.
Obviously, a lot of people need to learn how to read again.
Morales claims she was raped in NY in 2008.
Sends e-mails with photos and demands for money and things 2008-2010
Then in 2010, she comes to LA.
Gets fired by a female supervisor after 2 weeks of not passing out fliers.
Signs severance and goes back to NY.
Asks for a job again. Denied.
She sues fall 2010.
This whole story has made me pro slut shaming.
It also makes me realize that despite our best intentions as modern, progressive males, going against the monstrosity that is contemporary feminism is really about self interest far more than any ideological reason.
Placing the weaker case presented by Morales alongside the stronger one presented by Lo is pretty smart when influencing the opinions of morons. It makes Lo appear guilty of being a liar by association. Sorry, but Kimbra doesn’t exactly look comfy in those pics. I’m also not buying that the e-mail you published would qualify as a “love letter.” “Shot?” What does that mean? Is that some kind of rarified NYC hipster code for sex that a hillbilly like me isn’t privy to?
I wonder if Irene liked Street Carnage up until now?
I agree that these girls are slimy and are out to get money but at the same time I hope they don’t do anything irrational such as take their own lives after this is all said and done and they end up losing the case.
I went to high school with the girl in this article and she was a pretty nice, normal girl. And although I find this extremely entertaining since I knew her through school and friends, I hope these girls can continue on with their lives after this is over and learn from their mistakes.
And maybe slow down on the coke.. just maybe.
While she’s a total asshole for trying to ruin Dov’s life and destroy everything he’s worked for, Dov needs to start fucking with his eyes open. To think that banging a bunch of young, poor, “models” would not eventually come back to haunt him is actually retarded and incredibly naive. He needs to start exercising a little self control around these girls. You can’t have it all.
“luke Says:
Has anyone already made the joke about suing AA for shitty hoodies where the zipper comes off in the wash on the first try? Because I think I have a case there.
”
also i would like to sue them for all the shit that falls out of your pockets from those hoodies, the ones with the white zippers, THAT is the real charney criminal case here – if i lose another packet of brand new cigarettes from an american apparel hood i am going to break out the fucking velcro i tell you
@ ???
Tell me about it, the guy kind of brings this shit on himself.
Though I feel like I need a shower after reading this, can’t help but throw in my 2 pennies; really just a variation on what ??? said. The girls: Unscrupulous at best, (not too bright) conniving scammers at worst. But that’s the problem–they’re girls. They may have been ‘of age’ sexually, but they sure as hell weren’t of age emotionally or mentally. I know it’s easy to criticize from the sidelines, but come on man–a rich, older guy who’s smart enough to build up a multi-million dollar company should be smart enough to not bang the help. The whole thing stinks, and I hope that no-one is awarded any money.
Charney could have exercised better judgment, but saying, “Well, that’s what he gets.”, is like saying the girls should have been raped for the flirty texts, and everyone knows that shit is wrong.
In an accusation like this the ACT is what counts, not intentions, decision making issues, or even reputation. Where’s the proof of these assaults?
By the way, its “should have”, not “should of”. Do you even read what you type? Apologies if you’re a bork struggling with English.
“To investigate it feels like climbing through sewers.” and yet you tweeted that you beat off to the “evidence.” Do you beat off to sewers?
I find it hilarious that I’m supposed to care about any of these assholes.
I’m amazed at how villainous you’re making these women out to be. It’s funny how the tables turn. You want to fuck these girls and god forbid they think highly enough about themselves to realize they’ve been taken advantage of and want to expose a pig for who he is. No one is looking at what a scumbag dov is and has proven himself to be over and over again. So you can continue you’re little witch hunt on naive young women but look in the mirror for once. Wake the fuck up and realize what sexist game your playing. Look at how much you devalue women on a daily basis.
@ gloria steinham: Dov is absolutely a pig, but to think that these girls thought he was their prince charming and they were something special is laughable. Life is about learning lessons. They should have taken it as a lesson learned: Don’t consent to sex and photos with their boss who is known nationwide for being a massive pig and womanizer. Suing is just another way of saying, “oopsie”.
FOR THE 10,000th TIME. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DOV. IT’S VERY SIMPLE.
1- IRENE SENT SEXY PHOTOS AND TEXTS AFTER THE SO-CALLED RAPE.
2- KIMBRA SAID SHE WAS TERRIFIED AND TRAPPED DURING THE PHOTO SHOOT ABOVE.
@Gloria
“has proven himself to be over and over again”
What proof?
A creep would quietly settle. An innocent man would (well, should) fight each case.
A woman will forgive a man for anything (poverty, cruelty, obesity, ugliness) if he can make her cum. I’ll let you figure out the rest.
To catch a predator, is to look inside ones own heart. Some say those who sleep with dogs wake up with fleas.
Some people like to get choked, and in that respect I think I may understand mr Doves position. But the heart of darkness is awake and it’s teeth are wet with the hate we turn in on one another. the lions are loose, and that pussy is throbbing.
Heydenberk needs to STFU.
she’s obv an idiot Area Codes is a sweet ass track and nothing to b ashamed of. This girl hadn’t realised nothing is for free and currently taking advantage of this OLD guy for being rich and a dick through mainstream TV makes her emotionally stunted tween. seems to be she was having fun being barely legal, got wheels and clothes and felt special then when you grew up and had a second thought about what naked pictures you were in wanted to backtrack and get even more cash money. there’s not a time in most people’s lives where they want to take back that swampdonkey they banged or those photos they sent.
is this: http://www.epiclylaterd.com/mandibdaylit_8210.jpg
there’s more thread here than in an AA T-shirt.
FOR ALL YOU WHO CAN’T READ. LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS FILED IN COURT.
1. Irene Morales sent him all those nudey photos and asks for money for two years….AFTER when she claims to have been raped at age 18. So, it’s normal for rape victims to pursue relationships with their rapists and send them smut for years after they’ve been raped??
2. The about photographs PROVE that KIMBRA wasn’t RAPED. They had only one encounter.
She needs to stop posing for and wipe that grin off her face.
Hey Idiot, Learn to read. There was no sexual attack.
FOR THE 10,000th TIME. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DOV. IT’S VERY SIMPLE.
1- IRENE SENT SEXY PHOTOS AND TEXTS AFTER THE SO-CALLED RAPE.
2- KIMBRA SAID SHE WAS TERRIFIED AND TRAPPED DURING THE PHOTO SHOOT ABOVE.
@ gloria steinham
insulted at the “you devalue women” comment.
if anything this debacle makes me value women MORE. the ones i know and already value, the ones i dont know and already value, and on and on and on. some PEOPLE i value, a lot of people, most people even. its certain PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR that i dont value – if one of those people happens to be a woman, does that make me misogynist? if i dont like the way a person acts and they are female that makes me ‘anti-women’ right? (gawker-ethos-esque) cos that stuffs fucked. its like if i dont like the israeli govts bloodlust with impunity that makes me anti-semitic… thats bullshit.
its about PEOPLE you dumbass. scandalous, confused, money hungry, unscrupulous HUMAN BEINGS, what gender, race, region, job they have can fucking go whatever.
i realise that being pious and overly-concerned and opinionated and holier-than-thou on the internet / tv / radio / at the pub / a party / your moms house, is the new way to show you’re a great person (without having to do anything about it in real life) but your words in public dont REPRESENT you, they MISrepresent you (thats from pythagoras i think) thats the human condition. its all contradictions and confusions and besides all of that what you said was bullshit anyway.
you know what would be funny was if you had an adult son and some women tried to do a number on him like this but it wouldnt be funny it would be sad and terrifying.
the only thing i would ‘devalue’ about women is their ability to be destructive cunts. men too. people in general. YOU’RE the one devaluing women, devaluing their ability to do a whole lot of bad……..
dont do that shit
Gavin, as any journalist with a modicum of experience knows, you never allow yourself to be used by a party embroiled in litigation.
Here the Defendant gave you the all-access backstage pass, provided pithy quotes and even let you surf his hard drive for the very same Prons his lawyers plan to attach as exhibits to his pleadings.
Howcome he did that?
Dude, he’s made you his bitch!
And since you tend to fire back at your critics with abuse and name-calling, I’ll go ahead and get the drop on you: Dillhole! Asshat!
@(not published or required)
Real talk.
i liked this site before it started making calls on morality. whoever is right or wrong why do you think its cool to do this? it looks like bullying. this post about the kimbra girl doesnt really prove anything. like you said if that irene girl is lying it sucks because it is such a slap in the face for women who have actually been victims but now it seems like you think it is for you to decide whether anyone else who files a suit against this guy is lying simply because the first girl did. by grouping all these girls together and defending an attack against kimbra because irene lied you are becoming the reason you said it was so morally reprehensible for irene to file the suit in the first place. it does kind of look like the first girl was pretty awful and that there was little truth in her story but we shouldnt let that reflect on anyone else that comes forward. anyway, if this man is innocent then he has nothing to worry about and publicly shaming his accusers (19 year old girls) just seems fucked to me. to me the pictures in this post don’t prove a lot. or the fact that she said in an interview her favorite film is lolita for fucks sake. thats not fair. if your going to be some online magazine based around humour and taking things with a pinch of salt, stick to that, instead of basically taking delicate situations into your own elephant hands, defending your friends, whatever it is. if your going to start writing real articles, there are definitely things a lot more evil going on in the world and a lot more worthwhile to draw attention to. this case doesnt lack publicity and this man, if innocent, sure doesnt lack money and lawyers to right the situation.
im glad we live in a world where if a man can take naked photos and smiling photos of a woman he has sex with then we can all start calling the woman a despicable, evil human being if she accuses him of anything because this proves there was no misconduct. just dont ask why women are scared to come forward about things like this. because unless your a wide eyed virgin attacked in the middle of the night by a home invader or something you have zero credibility. it doesn’t matter whether this girl is lying or not, i swear there is just something wrong with this.
Dov is going down. This isn’t the first time he’s been accused.
ive worked for the company for a few years (still do, in the stores) and heres a couple of things to consider:
1) this company encourages the gold-digging/prostitution behavior in their employees. on one of my first days, i remember my boss telling me that if I want a piece of clothing, all I have to do is take a picture in it and send it in to corporate and they will approve/disapprove. this makes sense because essentially they hope I will sell the item if I look good in it. and that tactic works well. but the item I wanted as a lace bodysuit and they told me I was more likely to get it if I had my bra off in the picture. Did I wear my bra in the picture? Yes. Did I still get the bodysuit? Yes. But, the whole company, the people in charge, are all well under 35 and holding district/corporate manager positions. It is a very young company and Dov obviously, in some way, does believe in women because they work in very high levels in company and control a lot of things (even very young girls). I know several store managers that are like, 19. It is easy to get promoted if Dov likes you.. not just sexually. I know young men who were driven who were promoted astonishingly quickly to very high positions. However, sex is another way to get it, and there were/are plenty of slutty girls who send Dov naked photos to get ahead. but as soon as you start, it is well established that this is a way to get ahead.
Secondly, the minute you get in the company, you realize (if you havent already) dov fucks a lot of the models. maybe not all, but definitely a lot. I know a lot of girls who have denied the modeling opportunities and refused his advances (easily) and just worked in the stores. At 50/hr, its not a huge opportunity, and I doubt it leads to any real modeling career as most of our models aren’t super beautiful or even tall (Dov is like 5″ himself).
But basically you realize you can fuck your way to the top easily and its no fucking secret. so the fact that these girls are playing dumb is just fucking stupid considering the environment of the workplace. you can take it as far as you want. dov loves sex (as we all do) and young girls but he isnt stupid enough to rape, assault or hold someone hostage when there are that many young girls begging for his attention. He lives with like 7 of the models for god’s sake. The fact that he would wreck his company for these girls is unbelievable. His sex scandals gave the company the publicity that propelled to the top. He cares a lot AA.
I think these girls learned over and over that they can fuck for money, so why not extort for money and lie for money and whatever else? It’s definitely a reinforced, learned behavior and it’s partly the company’s fault for creating this atmosphere. But plenty of girls have said no to Dov and not holding these ADULT women responsible is just fucking stupid.
I think dov is going down. Especially by putting up those blogger sites. It shows that he’s guilty of something by exposing these women’s personal photographs and criticizing them it shows that he’s angry and has a sense of entitlement. The whole thing is based on Insecurity. He is pretty ugly. He’d have to have money for me to fuck him. I think he’d also have to give me some drugs too. I’d want to forget the entire experience. He’s trying to gang up on them and control their sexual freedom. To all the haters of the women calling them sluts and gold diggers. Eat shit and die. Just accpet the reality. This perv took advantage of these women. No one knows what happened except the parties who were there. I hope the women get awarded something. I think Dov is a sexual predator and his aggressive and abusive behavior toward women will not be tolerated. I hope he learns his lesson. I’m also equally disgusted with Gavin for reposting the pictures from the sites Dov put up. I used to enjoy street carnage but now I think it’s run by a bunch of douches with pack like mentality and sheer hatred for women. Unless Gavin was actually there when Kimbra was assaulted/or not he can STFU.
Dov sucks so bad that it’s hard to care that they are lying. I’d love to see him burn though. Not for this one maybe, but for the other 9389384 times he actually assaulted chicks.
i think the people who think this is about ‘hatred of women’ are naive in that they haven’t figured out women aren’t always victims.
“This perv took advantage of these women. No one knows what happened except the parties who were there.”
So why the fuck do you act as if you knew he took advantage of them?
i know dov, the company, and these women personally. I have been in the know at AA for years, and while Dov is definitely no angel, these allegations are such BULLSHIT THAT IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL. These women attempted to extort money and favors from Dov for years. There is more evidence against these claim that i have seen personally, although I doubt its necessity at this point.
Dov has had a number of girls attempt to sue him. Most of these were dismissed, a few were settled. He has tons of pussy thrown in his face daily. He is not an idiot. This combination of factors might lead you to believe that he is EXTREMELY PARANOID about this type of thing happening again, which is why he keeps every single email and text he has ever received.
I wont weight in on every issue being discussed, overall i have mixed feelings about Dov sending all this stuff to this blog, but I can state my clear opinion on the merits of this case, which is to say: BULLSHIT.
I love that she quotes Martin Luther King Jr on the Today Show but doesnt give him credit for it. “Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.”
Not only is kimbra lo an extortionist, she is a plagerist as well.
How dumb does she think he public is?
I just don’t understand why their lawyer , Eric Baum, put Lo and Morales in the tabloids and talkshows like this. He has ruined their lives forever.uyt Were they that stupid in thinking that Dov would just sit there quietly as were talking to tabloids worldwide and telling them that he’s a rapist? Well i guess for 250 million people will do anything.
I actually read a sociological study of military rape accusations, where 500 accusations were studied. Out of 500, over 100 were false, which the pathetic liars admitted after flunking lie detector tests. That is over ONE IN FIVE, at least in the military.
People shouldn’t feel bad to doubt rape accusations. You don’t have to feel bad, because it isn’t your fault. It is the fault of the pathetic slimeballs who have made it more than justified to doubt it. As for rape accusations against the RICH, for fucks sakes, if you heard that Kobe Bryant got accused of rape, why would you believe it for A SECOND???
Why are people incapable of believing that women would commit the relatively easy act of LYING, while at the same time believing that brutal sexual exploitation is like breathing air for a man?
“That is over ONE IN FIVE, at least in the military.”
Well, the military is a safe haven for males. Most estimates say false rape accusations constitute about half of all charges.
http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
Irene just seems crazy and off her rocker. Kimbra is little more confusing. Does she look comfortable to you? Her photos give me a sick feeling. Just because a girl is able to find pleasure after the initiation doesn’t mean that it was okay to happen in the first place. It’s possible she detached from her body, to get through it, maybe even convinced herself that she kind of liked Charney. It’s confusing when your body responds, and when you are insecure and haven’t decided what you believe to be wrong. I don’t think she realized how she actually felt until after. I get the feeling that had initiation been entirely up to her it wouldn’t have happened. Consenting adults, on the other hand, tactfully initiate sexual activity. That said, lawsuits are stupid. All that money with the shadow of the way you got it always lingering. Money’s not going to help her deal with the mistake in jugdement that she made. Why can’t people just be happy that they will never make that mistake again. (Unlike crazy Irene.) Will it even scare people away from Dov? Probably not. Nobody wins a lawsuit.
People should only seek money if it’s a necessity and if money will actually fix the problem. Like if their arm gets cut off “on the job”.
@ Paul
“if you heard that Kobe Bryant got accused of rape, why would you believe it for A SECOND???”
Because hes black and a professional sports star.
“Why are people incapable of believing that women would commit the relatively easy act of LYING, while at the same time believing that brutal sexual exploitation is like breathing air for a man?”
Because im a man and have firsthand knowledge that men actually want to fuck even more than they want to breathe.
“forced to have phone sex” HHAHA this proves all of the bs… lol.
This is precisely the reason why so little cases of sexual abuse are reported
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